Does Intrinsicism Boil Down to Subjectivism?

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    Steve Chipman
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    I believe this was a question Jon posed near the end of our last (3rd) class and I believe the answer is yes. Intrinsicism is the view that concepts are intrinsic in reality ie apart from consciousness and that knowledge is the grasp of an object through the passive absorption of revelations.Subjectivism is the view that concepts represent phenomena of consciousness apart from existence and that knowledge is the creation of an object through the active inner processes of the subject. But, with intrinsicism, where else could the “concepts out there in reality” come from but from the mind of a supernatural consciousness eg God. Thus, whatever was in the mind of the supernatural consciousness is the real. So, the only difference between the two is which mind – God’s or ours.

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    Gustafson Michael
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    And since there is no God, both subjectivism and intrinsics ultimately come from one’s feelings. The difference is in which aspects of reality those feelings are meant to ignore. The intrisicist feels resentment towards anything individual, emotional, ephemeral, optional, personal, i.e., anything arising from an individual’s consciousness–and so represses that in the name of adherence to his view of reality. The subjectivist feels resentment towards anything universal, rigid, unyielding, restricting, i.e., anything about reality that constrains him. The subjectivist and intrinsics meet in their wish for an un-thinking and un-choosing existence. The differ in that aspect of reality which gives them the most trouble, which they’re trying to avoid–the subjectivists resent reality, the intrisicists resent consciousness.

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